BRITISH STATE PENSION (inc frozen) SHAME.
A DISCRIMINATION OF DISGRACE
PPiI (Pension Parity in Indonesia, the AsiaPacific and the world).was born in 2011-12,
With the intent of being the group you can trust. Its agenda was designed to remind us all,
what that agenda was all about, and to work accuratly to that agenda.
parity-warrior,com has done well in the past. the last editor RIAN B did a fantastic job and we say thanks for all his efforts.
Any help from you on one.com web sites, "how to" etc will always be very welcome- - (PLEASE!)
NEWS Liz Kendall Ministerial role. Parliamentary Under Secretary State (Minister for Pensions)
MP for Wycombe, Emma Reynolds, has been appointed as Pensions Minister
AS A MEMBER WHERE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE HEADING NOW?
With a change of government it will be necessary to change how and what to write .
(remember you have the absolute power!
Dont be soft! YOU ARE the boss! added 12 July '24
Obviously the Frozen Pension WHIM will still be near the top of the list.
SO WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES?
PUTTING THE GOV'T IN THEIR PLACE? - -
(BELOW US that is!)
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Who is Keir Starmer?
According to a press comment he was A former, well-respected human rights lawyer who then served as Britain’s most senior prosecutor, Starmer came into politics late in life. He became a Labour MP in 2015 and less than five years later was the party’s leader. ( Does sound as though he might just be a bit more accomidating towards the campaigning issues, in spite of being a politicia.- - of course with careful handling?).
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FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW.ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT WHIM WHAT SO EVER!
owever WASPI + have (almost) got there first.(perhaps they could help lead us!) added july '24.
The ombudsman is part and parcel of the gov't and yet "the gov't" is dictatorially failing to take actions recommended by the ombudsman!
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I HAVE EXTRATED THE DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY FROM
:- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy.
1a) GOVERMENT BY THE PEOPLE -ESPECIALLY : RULE OF THE MAJORITY!.
1b) a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
The vital words are:- the supreme power is vested in the people.
(Look through many definitions and those words are common.
Strangly though it seems the "people" dont seem to understand that).
Or, more likely, the OUT GOING gov't AND A CERTAIN CHANCE THE PREVIOUS 4 OR 5 GOV'TS HAVE CONVINCED THE PEOPLE THAT THEY, (THE PARTY) ARE REALY THE ONES WITH THE SUPEREME POWER!
((A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IN THE SHOPPING MALL WE DECIDED TO HAVE LUNCH. LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDOW OF A CAFE I SAW SOMEWHERE AROUND 20 PEOPLE HAVING LUNCH. ALL BUT ONE EATING WITH ONE HAND AND THEIR "MOBILS" IN THE OTHER! GUISING THEY WERE NOT WATCHING "POITICS TODAY!". CONVERSATION WITH PARTMERS AGAIN GUISING, "PASS THE TOMATO SAUCE P;EASE!")
IN THE DEFINITION IT REFERS TO:-
"Involving periodically held free elections!"
DO YOU THINK OUR ELECTIONS ARE REALY FREE? who organises choice etc. the party of course!
who fidled the Parliamentry and Governmentnprotocols!
as the press told us:-
THE NEW PM WAS A FORMER, WELL RESPECTED HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER,
WHO SERVED AS BRITAINS MOST SENIOR PROSECUTOR.
What that means is all campaigners have to be very careful what they say,
and particlaly on their agenda and legislation!!
THERE ARE 500,000 FROZENPENSIONERS LIVING OVERSEAS.
BOB C SET UP A PETITIONN FOR PARITY WORLD-WIDE.
HOW MANY SIGNATURES ON IT? EQUAL TO:
1% OF THE 500,000! YES, JUST ONE%!
THERE ARE ANOTHER 600,000 EXPATS OVERSEAS ---THAT ARE NOT FROZEN!
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?
:"EQUALITY, FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE"?
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no answers so far!
Rwanda migrant propsals has or will be cancelled i understand from press article and the Rwanda gov't will not retun monies already paid or promised
In the next paragraph we can give a short basic idea!
So howcan we improve on that number?
It was suggested "State pension" related groups should be linked
. Not impossible!
The most impoutant requirment is :-
Strong, forceful, support,
from all the groupscampaigning to :-
SAVE, PROTECT, IMPROVE,
THE UK STATE PENSION.
"THE LIBRARY INDEX IS OF GROUPS IS MADE UP OF THOSE GROUPS, WHOSE PRIMARY AGENDA IS TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE UK STATE PENSION WORLD-WIDE" (it does needs it!)
ONE, ( PROBABLY RATHER FRUSTRATED CAMPAIGNER), ON FACEBOOK, SAID
"I WANT A MILLION SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION! (for parity)"
WHY BE SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE MILLION?
WHY NOT 3, 4, OR MORE MILLION?
YES IT CAN BE DONE! (With not too much extra work!). (So here goes!).
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"THE LIBRARY OF CAMPAIGNING GROUPS"
1) it is NOT a group as in PPiI or WASPI. it is basically an updateable "list"probaly an excel book.
(two or 3 volunteers to maintain it perhaps. It is not for other issues or chat'.
The librairians just concentrate on collating it and keeping it updated.
2) Each campaigning groups just has to agree to being on the library list, provide the necessery info to go on the list, and are genuinly campaigning for :-
TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE UK STATE PENSION.
Info required:- probably just official name, known as name, based on location, a contact number, (caution re security), number of members, number of frozen pensioners. (A little bit of jigling for those in more than one group).
3) the agenda for the "SPIUKP" (??) Is:-
to campaign against the gov't Frozen State Pension WHIM and do NOT accept uprating going forward.
The agenda carries 3 recomendations:-
A)The campaignihe groups are primarily campaigning against the Gov'to save, protect and improve our pension, (yes we paid for it!) WE ARE NOT CAMPAIGNING AGAINST EACH OTHER, THEY ARE OUE ALLIES!
B) INFORMATION used in campaigning material must please be based on proven facts, "official" statistics, and legislation.
C) if quoting from Gov't statements, other authorotive bodies, press reports,MP's or Peers official or just random comments. do please provide a hyperlink if possible.
An adition that should be adhered to is as in the equality Act GENDER DISCRIMINAION!
There are many issues within the State Pension besides the FP WHIM.
"THE LIBRARY OF CAMPAIGNING GROUPS" can cover all.(15 to 20 probably!)
PLEASE NOTE:-1) this ws drafted before any info from the new government warmed their bums in their seats. I did not see anything in todays press about it. Only thing was NIS would not increase. (could that be a hint we just might get some good news ??? (16 July press report quoted masive changes coming !PREPARE TO DEMAND FOR CONSULTATION RIGHTS FOR ALL CAMPAIGNERS
3)There are many issues within the State Pension besides the FP WHIM.
15 to 20 or so? Age, back to 65, max as current. Not welfare as WE PAID FOR IT. IT IS NOT A TAX BUT OUR CONTRIUTIONS. IT CANNOT BE A BENRFIT. IT IS AN ENTITLEMENT "A RIGHT!" WE COMPLIED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE ENTITLED TO THAT PENSION. PENSION ACT 2014
WHERE YOU LIVE IS NOT ONE!
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THIS AND THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPHS ARE NOT JUST AIMED AT PPiI MEMBERS,
IT IS FROZEN PENSIONERS, UNFROZEN PENSIONERS AND ALL WORKERS IN THE
"UK THAT WILL BECOME
PENSIONERS HOME OR OVERSES. (30+MILLION OF THEM!)"
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(Accrding to the definition of "democratic" shows that a political unit may have a democratic government within that poitical party. but including whips bullying and other naughties! (but the people AREstill the boss! show them so!!!
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So 12 YEARS AGO initially we asked the ICBP,( self appointed tingods of campaigning against discrimination!
“Can we join your ICBP group please?”
The somewhat blunt answer from ICBP, word for word was:
“No you can’t. There is only a few of you (absolute discrimination?yes?)you andhave not contributed! (UK bigh court stated that cost was
no excuse for discrimiynation. yes?)
"Join CABP or BPiA pay your fees, get a
committee and that group will “look after” you".
(with some sarcasm it look like a good lesson on how to discrininate!)
too few? no money? no join ICBP!
The PPiI members, (all are the "committee") and we do not pay fees).
The members response was:
“It’s OK we will go it on our own!”
(But always willng to listen to, talk to, and work with other groups.)
There are many other indipendant groups around the world also campaigning against the frozen pension WHIM, and other "pension issues"
the ICBP. (international consortim of British Pensioners),
(Is the group with the highest number of frozen membership) made up by Australia and Canada, also in their own way, campaigning against the UK Gov’t's frozen pension whim ??).
For the first few years we did well, but after years of occasionally being ignored we realised, like all campaigners, it was better talking to the brick wall rather than banging your head on it!
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The above paragraph is of the events 12 years ago when PPiI arrived. Much water has passed under the bridge since then. The ICBP has made a number of changes over the years for their groups.
(But not all "the smoke" from their early days of dictatorial campaigning has dispersed).
Sadly the world of the "UK State Pension" is not as secure,or honest, as it should be. ( much of the blame for that is from those dictatorial "boss types."
The number of pension related groups has increased considerably, and that in some respect has decreased the chances of Parity for all frozen pensioners and even unfrozen expats.
The groups that have been groups from the earliest days of campaugning are more likely to be a little close lipped, and less coperative than the newer groups.
Times are and will hopefully changing for the better.
. Due to their involvement with the old dictaorial attitude of the big 3, (and a little bit of jealousy over the othr groups?).
(When we talk Pension and pensioners we can think of numbers up to 40+millions.
A lot of people to include in campaging, and so much to do in the pension issues!)
(The ever growing numbers of pension related groups, and now websites, is not going to do much for the issues we campagn for, without groups seriously working together).
TOO MANY GROUPS AND TOO MANY WEB SITES!
MANY WILL AGREE, AND MANY DISAGREE.
SO WHICH IS RIGHT?
(whats that saying about too many cooks?)
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WE, all campaigning groups HAVE ONE ENEMY. -- -- THE GOV'T, (Gov't, THE DWP, THE TREASURY, THE DSS AND, THE FACELESS UNKNOWNS?
(Personally I am very cocerned about who are the faceless ones)
(Will it be the party and "others" manipuilting the pre-election B/S we wll be showered with?)
WE ALL HAVE ONE AGENDA -- -- CAMPAIGNING AGAINST THE UK GOV'Ts FROZEN PENSION (WHIM). "and NOT supporting uprating going forward". (This week, proved we were righ in NOT supporting uprating going forward".
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In more recent times thoughts regarding the State Pension have spread beyond the frozen pension, to include all the issues of the pension itself. (just look how well WASPI+ are doing!)
THE STATE PENSION HAS MANY ISSUES BEYOND THE FP!!
(COULD BE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 issues!
Such as State Pension Age, consultation, maladministration, welfare status + + + .
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FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW.
ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT (WHIM) WHAT SO EVER!
WHILST THE CARSON CASE, (DISCRIMINATION), WAS IN PROGRESS, IN THE E.U. SUPREMCOURT, ONE JUDGE STATED THAT IT WAS NOT AN FP POLICY!
IT WAS AN FP "WHIM"
(I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM!
IN MY COMENTS OR EMAILS AND POSTS I DO USE THE TERM,
"THE FROZEN PENSION WHIM")
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ONE, ( PROBABLY RATHER FRUSTRATED CAMPAIGNER), ON FACEBOOK, SAID
I WANT A MILLION SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION! (for parity)
WHY BE SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE MILLION?
WHY NOT 3, 4, OR MORE MILLION?
YES IT CAN BE DONE! (With not to much extr work!)
Over PPiI time of 12 years campaigning, one of the group issues that has always puzzled me, from day one is, why so much negativity?
After some, "historical"digging, (that involved UK FP's in a number of groups). I could only conclude and suggest a "dictaorial approach" from those requiring "service" from campaigners, and rivallry between the service providors is to blame.
I did actually ask on Facebook:-
"Many times I see in commments on Facebook,
"We should work together." united in harmony".
However, how often do they not do so!
(it has happened to me a number times!).
Perhaps not surprising then we are still F - F - F- FROZEN?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do also remenber, please,
Groups are volunteers, NOT conscripts! (- ST!)
(Why should I say that you may wonder. A few years after PPiI started I had an email from a "Director" explaining to, this mere campaigner, that;- "we, the directors, consider the fee paying members are the face workers and we the directors are the boses". My response, which, reluctantly, I did not send in the end, might just make you blush!
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Please do not get the wrong idea of my intenions in what I say, comment on or suggest! (My ambition is to retire from the dodgy battlefields of the UK State Pension battle ground with a fully ENTITLED FULL PENSION as soon as possible preferably before Christmas this year! (First full pension, "sod Pizza Hut lets get a really decent meal!"
I will still keep digging on the FP Whim and the legislation.
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WE HAVE MANY GROUPS -- -- (A TOWER OF BABLE ?).
we all have the same one enemy. The gov't.
we all have the same one agenda. A gov't policy- and/or a WHIM!!
So why not have one master campaigning army made of multple groups working together to produce a winning master group?
(the headlines could then be:-
The campaigning master group defeat the enemy's discrimination! Satisfaction by the groups in that master group! " GROUPS UNITED WARRIORS"
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NOTE in a previous draft 23 march we detailed a meeting between Sir R. Gale and the Pariamentary Under- secretary for Works and Pensions, Paul Maynard MP.
We said :-was this going to be :-
"The long awaited light at the end of the tunnel?"
State Pension issues were discussed. No promises and Sir R did warn
"but dont hold your breath".
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Well we all know what did happen!
So what do all we campaigners and groups do now?
What ever we plan needs to be stronger than we have ever previosly managed. Bearing in mind the coming election we should be ready for almost anything.
FROM:-Parity, plus all benefits with tripple lock forever.
TO:- All expats frozen, or even no pensions paid overseas!
(Should we follow the French reaction when their PM introduced their pansion increase from 62 to 64!!)
Will we squeak like a mouse or roar like a (French) lion?
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Restoring democracy for all is just as essental in the UK as it was for Parity. Even more so. An even harder task I would think! Is that asking too much to save us from dictatorship?
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The main agenda issue here so far is parity for all pensioners world wide, but other issues have been drawn into the issues of campaigning against gov't polocies. (Partial uprating going forward is not parity and partial uprating actually introduces further discrimination because being based on the current pension status of each of the 500,000 FPs there coud be 500,000 different rates to calculate on. (2.5% of a 40£ rate is less than 2.5% of £100 FP rate, a further discrimination. Not acceptable surely ?
Prior to the uprating going foeward there was a suggestion of uprating based on age.
(1st year all over 90 's got uprated to full entitled rate. next year over 80's uprated, 3rd year over 70's or over pension age. it is still discrimination but on guaranteed dates. A bit better than the disgeacful offer that the ICBP will acccept.
The NIS fund is always well over balence requirements.
£ billions every year!
and dont forget its OUR contributions that do that,
WE PAID IN OUR CONTRIIIBUTIONS FROM OUR SALERIES AS DO HE WORKERS OF TODAY AND THE EMPLOYER ALSO PAID AND PAY IN. THE GOVT STOPPED CONTRIBUTING AS SOON AS THE FUND REACHED ITS REQUIRED MINIMUM BALENCE!
(NO THE TAX PAERS DID NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE A PENNY)
ROUGHLY THEN, WHEN WE STRTED WORK WE STARTED PAYING FROM OUR SALERY NIS CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE SECURED NIS FUND. RETIREES WILL GET THEIR PENSION FRONTHE FUND WE CONTRIBUTED TO. WHEN AFTER AROUND 50 YEARS WE RETIRE AND GET OUR PENSION FROM THE FUND THAT THE WORKERS TODAY ARE CONTRIBUTING INTO. (ALSO EMPLOYEES PAYING INTO THE FUND)
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(AT THAT MEETING, BETWEEN SIR R. AND THE PENSION MINISTER, THE STATE PENSION ISSUES, , WERE DISCUSSED. NO PROMISES WERE MADE! (WELL DO YOU EVER EXPECT MP's PROMISES TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH?)
THE NEXT STEP WAS FROM MR HUNT, ("LETS IGNORE THE "V. V"S - AGAIN! SO WHAT DID THE FP'S GET?
ONE REPORT SUBTLE ANSWER WAS "A TWO FINGERED GESTURE!"
WHAT WAS MY RESPONSE? HALF OF THE VULNERABLE VICTIMS SYMBOL (v v)!
V
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Et Tu Brute !
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Somewhat shocked, having rejected a thought of could this be a pre-election gov't joke, my thoughts qquickly moved on!
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(MY APOLOGIES FOR FLOGGING THE FROZEN PENSION SO MUCH AS AN EXAMPLE BUT I WANTED YOU APPRECIATE THE PROBLEMS ALL PENSION ISSUES CAN CREATE AND BE PREPARED TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON THE GOV'T ON ALL PENSION ISSUES.)
This must be a call to arms for all 12.4 million pensiones, including frozen and un-frozen expats, 30+ million workers and future workers of the future!
ANOTHER ISSUE WE NEED TO WORK OVERTIME ON.
THIS MUST BE THE TIME FOR:-
ONE ENEMY, ONE AGENDA AND ONE COMBINED FIGHTING ARMY!
TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVING
OUR PENSIONSTHAT WE CONTRIBTED FOR.
this following paragraph has, in parts, been deleted.
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Now I know this is a crazy thought but campaigning against the gov't frozen pension WHIM has not had much success. (well none really!). should we be looking for a sincere political figurehead to have waving our flag? Free from party control and bullying whips might draw more success for our campaining? Each group has its own Fb or other outlet so all could introduce the indipenant MP. figurehead, with a small panel attached to the groups heading page? (agreed small photo MP indipendant (state pension rep). that in itself will be difficult to agree on. So a "no go idea" probably.
Who is Keir Starmer?
According to a press comment he was A former, well-respected human rights lawyer who then served as Britain’s most senior prosecutor, Starmer came into politics late in life. He became a Labour MP in 2015 and less than five years later was the party’s leader. ( Does sound as though he might just be a bit more accomidating towards our campaigning issues. - - of course with careful handling?).
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FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW. ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT (WHIM) WHAT SO EVER!
however WASPI + have (almost) got there first.
The ombudsman is part and parcel of the gov't and yet "the gov't" is dictatorially failing to take actions recommended by the ombudsman.
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the ICBP. (international consortim of British Pensioners),
(Is the group with the highest number of frozen membership) made up by Australia and Canada, also in their own way, campaigning against the UK Gov’t's frozen pension whim).
There are many other indipendant groups around the world also campaigning against the frozen pension WHIM, and other "pension issues".
So initially we asked the ICBP,
“Can we join your ICBP group please?”
The somewhat blunt answer, word for word was:
“No you can’t. There is only a few of you (absolute discrimination? yes).
And you have not contributed! (UK bigh court had stated that cost was no excuse for discrimiynation. yes)
"Join CABP or BPiA pay your fees, get a
committee and that group will “look after” you".
(with some sarcasm it look like a good lesson on how to discrininate!) too few? no money, no join ICBP!
The PPiI members, (all are the "committee") and we do not pay fees).
The members response was:
“It’s OK we will go it on our own!”
(But always willng to listen to and talk other groups.)
For the first few years we did well, but after years of being mostly ignored we realised, like all campaigners, it was better talking to the brick wall rather than banging your head on it!
*********
The above paragraph is of the events 12 years ago when PPiI arrived. Much water has passed under the bridge since then. The ICBP has made a number of changes over the years for their groups. But not all "the smoke" from their early days of campaigning has dispersed.
Sadly the world of the "UK State Pension" is not as secure as it should be.
The number of pension related groups has increased considerably, and that in some respect has decreased the chances of Parity for all frozen pensioners and even unfrozen expats. The groups that have been groups from the early days of campaugning are more likely to be
less cooperative than the newer groups. Due to their involvement with the old dictaorial attitude of the big 3, and the gov't (and a little bit of jealousy over othr groups).
(When we talk Pension and pensioners we think of numbers up to 40+millions.
A lot of people to include in campaging, and much to do in the pension issues!)
(The ever growing numbers of pension related groups, and now websites, is not going to do much for the issues we campagn for, without groups seriously working together).
TOO MANY GROUPS AND TOO MANY WEB SITES!
MANY WILL AGREE, AND MANY DISAGREE.
SO WHICH IS RIGHT?
(whats that saying about too many cooks?)
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WE, all campaigning groups HAVE ONE ENEMY. -- -- THE GOV'T, (Gov't, the DWP, THE TREASURY, THE DSS AND, THE FACELESS UNKNOWNS? (Personally I am very cocerned about who are the faceless ones)
(Will it be the party and "others" manipuilting the pre-election B/S we wll be showered with?).
well we now wait and see what the new lo t can do!
WE HAVE ONE AGENDA -- -- CAMPAIGNING AGAINST THE UK GOV'Ts FROZEN PENSION (WHIM). "and NOT supporting uprating going forward". (This week, proved we were righ in NOT supporting uprating going forward".
**********
In more recent times thoughts regarding the State Pension have spread beyond the frozen pension, to include all the issues of the pension itself. (just look how well WASPI+ are doing!)
THE STATE PENSION HAS MANY ISSUES BEYOND THE FP!!
(COULD BE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 issues!
Such as State Pension Age, consultation, maladministration, welfare status + + + .
***********
FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW.
ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT (WHIM) WHAT SO EVER!
WHILST THE CARSON CASE, (DISCRIMINATION), WAS IN PROGRESS, IN THE E.U. SUPREMCOURT, ONE JUDGE STATED THAT IT WAS NOT AN FP POLICY!
IT WAS AN FP "WHIM"
(I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM!
IN MY COMENTS OR EMAILS AND POSTS I DO USE THE TERM,
"THE FROZEN PENSION WHIM")
***********
ONE, ( PROBABLY RATHER FRUSTRATED CAMPAIGNER), ON FACEBOOK, SAID
I WANT A MILLION SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION! (for parity)
WHY BE SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE MILLION?
WHY NOT 3, 4, OR MORE MILLION?
YES IT CAN BE DONE! (With not to much extr work!)
Over PPiI time of 12 years campaigning, one of the group issues that has always puzzled me, from day one is, why so much negativity?
After some, "historical"digging, (that involved UK FP's in a number of groups). I could only conclude and suggest a "dictaorial approach" from those requiring "service" from campaigners, and rivallry between the service providors is to blame.
I did actually ask on Facebook:-
"Many times I see in commments on Facebook,
"We should work together." united in harmony".
However, how often do they not do so!
(it has happened to me a number times!).
Perhaps not surprising then we are still F - F - F- FROZEN?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do also remenber, please,
Groups are volunteers, NOT conscripts! (- ST!)
(Why should I say that you may wonder. A few years after PPiI started I had an email from a "Director" explaining to, this mere campaigner, that;- "we, the directors, consider the fee paying members are the face workers and we the directors are the boses". My response, which, reluctantly, I did not send in the end, might just make you blush!
**********
Please do not get the wrong idea of my intenions in what I say, comment on or suggest! (My ambition is to retire from the dodgy battlefields of the UK State Pension battle ground with a fully ENTITLED FULL PENSION as soon as possible preferably before Christmas this year! (First full pension, "sod Pizza Hut lets get a really decent meal!"
I will still keep digging on the FP Whim and the legislation.
**************
WE HAVE MANY GROUPS -- -- (A TOWER OF BABLE ?).
we all have the same one enemy. The gov't.
we all have the same one agenda. A gov't policy- and/or a WHIM!!
So why not have one master campaigning army made of multple groups working together to produce a winning master group?
(the headlines could then be:-
The campaigning master group defeat the enemy's discrimination! Satisfaction by the groups in that master group! " GROUPS UNITED WARRIORS"
**********
NOTE in a previous draft 23 march we detailed a meeting between Sir R. Gale and the Pariamentary Under- secretary for Works and Pensions, Paul Maynard MP.
We said :-was this going to be :-
"The long awaited light at the end of the tunnel?"
State Pension issues were discussed. No promises and Sir R did warn
"but dont hold your breath".
**********
Well we all know what did happen!
So what do all we campaigners and groups do now?
What ever we plan needs to be stronger than we have ever previosly managed. Bearing in mind the coming election we should be ready for almost anything.
FROM:-Parity, plus all benefits with tripple lock forever.
TO:- All expats frozen, or even no pensions paid overseas!
(Should we follow the French reaction when their PM introduced their pansion increase from 62 to 64!!)
Will we squeak like a mouse or roar like a (French) lion?
************
Restoring democracy for all is just as essental in the UK as it was for Parity. Even more so. An even harder task I would think! Is that asking too much to save us from dictatorship?
************
The main agenda issue here so far is parity for all pensioners world wide, but other issues have been drawn into the issues of campaigning against gov't polocies. (Partial uprating going forward is not parity and partial uprating actually introduces further discrimination because being based on the current pension status of each of the 500,000 FPs there coud be 500,000 different rates to calculate on. (2.5% of a 40£ rate is less than 2.5% of £100 FP rate, a further discrimination. Not acceptable surely ?
Prior to the uprating going foeward there was a suggestion of uprating based on age.
(1st year all over 90 's got uprated to full entitled rate. next year over 80's uprated, 3rd year over 70's or over pension age. it is still discrimination but on guaranteed dates. A bit better than the disgeacful offer that the ICBP will acccept.
The NIS fund is always well over balence requirements.
£ billions every year!
and dont forget its OUR contributions that do that,
WE PAID IN OUR CONTRIIIBUTIONS FROM OUR SALERIES AS DO HE WORKERS OF TODAY AND THE EMPLOYER ALSO PAID AND PAY IN. THE GOVT STOPPED CONTRIBUTING AS SOON AS THE FUND REACHED ITS REQUIRED MINIMUM BALENCE!
(NO THE TAX PAERS DID NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE A PENNY)
ROUGHLY THEN, WHEN WE STRTED WORK WE STARTED PAYING FROM OUR SALERY NIS CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE SECURED NIS FUND. RETIREES WILL GET THEIR PENSION FRONTHE FUND WE CONTRIBUTED TO. WHEN AFTER AROUND 50 YEARS WE RETIRE AND GET OUR PENSION FROM THE FUND THAT THE WORKERS TODAY ARE CONTRIBUTING INTO. (ALSO EMPLOYEES PAYING INTO THE FUND)
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(AT THAT MEETING, BETWEEN SIR R. AND THE PENSION MINISTER, THE STATE PENSION ISSUES, , WERE DISCUSSED. NO PROMISES WERE MADE! (WELL DO YOU EVER EXPECT MP's PROMISES TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH?)
THE NEXT STEP WAS FROM MR HUNT, ("LETS IGNORE THE "V. V"S - AGAIN! SO WHAT DID THE FP'S GET?
ONE REPORT SUBTLE ANSWER WAS "A TWO FINGERED GESTURE!"
WHAT WAS MY RESPONSE? HALF OF THE VULNERABLE VICTIMS SYMBOL (v v)!
V
*********
Et Tu Brute !
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Somewhat shocked, having rejected a thought of could this be a pre-election gov't joke, my thoughts moved on.
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(MY APOLOGIES FOR FLOGGING THE FROZEN PENSION SO MUCH AS AN EXAMPLE BUT I WANTED YOU APPRECIATE THE PROBLEMS ALL PENSION ISSUES CAN CREATE AND BE PREPARED TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON THE GOV'T ON ALL PENSION ISSUES.)
This must be a call to arms for all 12.4 million pensiones, including frozen and un-frozen expats, 30+ million workers and future workers of the future!
ANOTHER ISSUE WE NEED TO WORK OVERTIME ON.
THIS MUST BE THE TIME FOR:-
ONE ENEMY, ONE AGENDA AND ONE COMBINED FIGHTING ARMY!
TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVING
OUR PENSIONSTHAT WE CONTRIBTED FOR.
(Last year, or the year before, I think Sir R, might had mentioned giving up poliitics!
(I had a wicked thought! Lets all email him saying dont give up politics Sir R, Just give up the Party and become Sir R. Gale. MP, the indipedent, SAVE PROTECT AND IMPROVETHE STATE PENSION PARTY!!).
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Now I know this is a crazy thought but campaigning against the gov't frozen pension WHIM has not had much success. (well none really!). should we be looking for a political figurehead to have waving our flag? Sir R as a truly complete indipenant MP. free frm party control and bullying whips might draw more success for our campaining? Each group has its own Fb or other outlet so all could introduce the indipenant MP. figurehead, with a small panel attached to the groups heading page? (agreed small photo MP indipendant (state pension rep). that in itself will be difficult to adree on. So a "no go idea" probably.
Partial uprating going forward has disapppeare! Or has it? the gov't could in theory reinstall it at any time. However, it seems the likely outcome would be to probably change the policy so that unfrozen expat pensions may well also have to lose uprating one way or another. It is less liikely though at this time.
at one time "uprating by age" was a viable solution. (over 90's uorated in year one.Over 80's in year two and over 70's in year three). it was not over enthusiastically received by FP's. it may be the govt could use it to get out of the net during this current financial state the country is in. should we try it?
Is Partial Uprating a Solution?
The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Frozen British Pensions exists “to bring together parliamentary supporters of the case to unfreeze frozen British State Pensions Overseas and to campaign for reform on this issue”. APPG had suggested that partial uprating could be “a solution”. Let’s look at APPG’s suggestions … and the facts:
APPG Statements: | The Facts: |
There are ways to end frozen pensions | |
ICBP is just one organisation only for Canadians; Australians and the carabbean. Why is APPG concentrating on ICBP when there are many more of us campaigning around the world? Is there some sort of deal going on here. After all this time one does wonder! | |
? Successive governments have refused to act to end the current policy on the grounds of cost, fear of legal claims for back payment and the fact that however strong the moral case, there is no legal obligation on them to do so | In the debate on ring-fencing 0.7% of GDP for overseas aid ( MPs said that Britain is a rich country and that the 7% in overseas aid is justified and made them ‘proud’. They should be ashamed of stealing the NIS fund money rather than pay uprating, the fund is maintained by the workers and employees contributions and is always in balence of £ billions. HOWEVER THE GOV'T STATED THEY ILL CHANGE CONTRIBTIONS TO EARNING TAX!! THE FUND WOULD GO INTO THEGOV'T GENERAL FUND!! There are no cost grounds for not paying pension parity. The threat of legal claims is a red herring. No pensioner group has the resources for legal claims and frozen pensioners just want the pensions they paid for, payable now! There is a legal obligation through the United Nations International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (Articles 9-12) this may not apply due to the change in the EU status or rejectionof the legality ofthe UN culture rights; THE GOVT USE SECONDARY DOMESTIC LEGISLATION TO WITHHOLD UPRATINF The APPG on Frozen British Pensions recognise that financial times are tough, so we are committed to promoting solutions to the frozen pension policy that are both affordable and deliverable now. bloody fools that has always been possible. |
Partial Uprating could be introduced quite easily in realityby using the DSS annual uprating act | partial uprating dos increase discrimination as it is based on a %age of the frozen pensions |
Partial uprating would benefit all currently frozen pensioners immediately by ending the real terms year-on-year decline of their state pensions | This is a typical Conservative answer to everything – give more to those who have more, and take more from those who have little. As shown above, the pensioners with the highest existing pensions would get even more while those with the lowest existing pensions would get almost nothing. Clearly some would benefit a great deal more than others. |
It would remove the problem completely for future retirees, removing a significant barrier to pensioner emigration from the UK, including for a significant number ethnic minorities now approaching retirement | This is a cynical attempt to divide frozen pensions in the fight for parity. Currently retiring pensioners would get pension parity and therefore have no need to join in the fight. It is also an attempt to harness the savings to be made from emigration (£3,800 per head) while ignoring that same saving already benefiting the government from existing retirees. It is also immoral, unethical and un-Christian to adopt a policy which aims to solve the problem by awarding parity to currently retiring pensioners while waiting for present frozen pensioners to die. This is a disgrace! |
At an estimated upfront cost of just £37 million – miniscule in government spending terms – Partial Uprating option offers an affordable and expeditious policy alternative that could be implemented in the current financial climate | the worry of cost is the govn't own doing because they illegaly drained the fund! the cost of up rating is £590 million. the fund has a balence of billions. so??? |
Partial Uprating would actually generate immediate net savings for the Treasury through consequent savings, including those made through increased pensioner emigration. The Government currently estimates that there is a £3,800 a year saving for each pensioner who moves abroad in retirement | So, the Treasury wants the benefit of emigration savings while ignoring the benefit it already receives from past emigration? The £3,800 a year also applies to frozen pensions having to return to UK – that (plus an immediately uprated pension) is the cost of every pensioner who comes to the point of not being able to manage on a non-uprated pension and has to return to the UK. Those people then put pressure on an already overloaded NHS and on already shaky housing availability. |
There is a clear precedent for the implementation of Partial Uprating. It is the approach that was taken when the UK signed historic reciprocal agreements with countries such as the USA and Barbados | A statement in the House of Commons and a Freedom of Information response has clearly ascertained that a reciprocal agreement is not legally necessary for the payment of uprated pensions. (the chair of the DSS comittee made that clear in 1966 Continually repeating this falsehood is merely DWP obfuscation – it matters nothing what is contained in ‘historic’ reciprocal agreements because their presence is not required to pay pension parity. |
There should be no legal risk of back payment claims (as with full uprating) as there is no implied recognition of historic entitlement. Partial Uprating is simply a forward policy change. Again, the precedent would support this | Full uprating is also simply a forward policy change – there is no difference between the two. The suggestion of legal risk is a red herring and an excuse for non-action; no pensioner or pensioner organisation has the means or the intent to pursue any legal claim once full uprating is achieved |
There is no need for bilateral agreements to be negotiated to move things forward … the UK is free to make unilateral changes to meet what are now international norms regarding overseas pensioners | A statement in the House of Commons and a Freedom of Information response has clearly ascertained that a reciprocal agreement is not legally necessary for the payment of uprated pensions. Bilateral agreements are not a reason for paying uprates - they are merely an excuse for not paying. Continually repeating this falsehood is merely DWP obfuscation There is a legal obligation (giving standards for international norms) through the United Nations International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (Articles 9-12); Britain is failing to comply with the requirements of this international covenant it signed |
Partial Uprating would be very straightforward to deliver | The most straightforward policy to deliver would be to delete the offending clause from the next Budget statement and pay pension parity from April 2017. Every other option is less straightforward |
Partial uprating as described by the APPG website is NOT a solution. It is a cop-out and a cover up. It hits hardest the oldest and longest-suffering pensioners, many of whom fought in WW2 and then returned to help rebuild a shattered Britain, paying into the NI Fund all their working lives. That is a disgrace!
It is an extremely cynical, callous, immoral, unethical and un-Christian proposal which aims at solving the problem by waiting for pensioners to die. That is not acceptable to any decent, caring, Christian person.
It is also a typical Conservative option: give to those who have more and keep from those who have little – bear in mind that private pension schemes were few and far between when many of our older pensioners retired many years ago. And let us not overlook its real intention - to divide those of us who have suffered years of frozen pensions from the currently retiring who would never experience frozen pensions – more discrimination piled on top of existing discrimination!
Worse than all the above is that it is betrayal of Biblical proportions; those who have contributed over the years to the fight for parity will be sidelined for a pittance of pennies while the currently-retiring will walk away with full pensions from the start and contribute to nothing.