BRITISH STATE PENSION (inc frozen) SHAME.
A DISCRIMINATION OF DISGRACE
PPiI (Pension Parity in Indonesia, the AsiaPacific and the world).was born in 2011-12,
With the intent of being the group you can trust. Its agenda was designed to remind us all,
what that agenda was all about, and to work accuratly to that agenda.
parity-warrior,com has done well in the past. the last editor RIAN B did a fantastic job and we say thanks for all his efforts.
Any help from you on one.com web sites, "how to" etc will always be very welcome- - (PLEASE!)
NEWS Liz Kendall Ministerial role. Parliamentary Under Secretary State (Minister for Pensions)
MP for Wycombe, Emma Reynolds, has been appointed as Pensions Minister
AS A MEMBER WHERE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE HEADING NOW?
With a change of government it will be necessary to change how and what to write .
(remember you have the absolute power!
Dont be soft! YOU ARE the boss! added 12 July '24
Obviously the Frozen Pension WHIM will still be near the top of the list.
SO WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES?
PUTTING THE GOV'T IN THEIR PLACE? - -
(BELOW US that is!)
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Who is Keir Starmer?
According to a press comment he was A former, well-respected human rights lawyer who then served as Britain’s most senior prosecutor, Starmer came into politics late in life. He became a Labour MP in 2015 and less than five years later was the party’s leader. ( Does sound as though he might just be a bit more accomidating towards the campaigning issues, in spite of being a politicia.- - of course with careful handling?).
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FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW.ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT WHIM WHAT SO EVER!
owever WASPI + have (almost) got there first.(perhaps they could help lead us!) added july '24.
The ombudsman is part and parcel of the gov't and yet "the gov't" is dictatorially failing to take actions recommended by the ombudsman!
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I HAVE EXTRATED THE DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY FROM
:- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy.
1a) GOVERMENT BY THE PEOPLE -ESPECIALLY : RULE OF THE MAJORITY!.
1b) a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
The vital words are:- the supreme power is vested in the people.
(Look through many definitions and those words are common.
Strangly though it seems the "people" dont seem to understand that).
Or, more likely, the OUT GOING gov't AND A CERTAIN CHANCE THE PREVIOUS 4 OR 5 GOV'TS HAVE CONVINCED THE PEOPLE THAT THEY, (THE PARTY) ARE REALY THE ONES WITH THE SUPEREME POWER!
((A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IN THE SHOPPING MALL WE DECIDED TO HAVE LUNCH. LOOKING THROUGH THE WINDOW OF A CAFE I SAW SOMEWHERE AROUND 20 PEOPLE HAVING LUNCH. ALL BUT ONE EATING WITH ONE HAND AND THEIR "MOBILS" IN THE OTHER! GUISING THEY WERE NOT WATCHING "POITICS TODAY!". CONVERSATION WITH PARTMERS AGAIN GUISING, "PASS THE TOMATO SAUCE P;EASE!")
IN THE DEFINITION IT REFERS TO:-
"Involving periodically held free elections!"
DO YOU THINK OUR ELECTIONS ARE REALY FREE? who organises choice etc. the party of course!
who fidled the Parliamentry and Governmentnprotocols!
as the press told us:-
THE NEW PM WAS A FORMER, WELL RESPECTED HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER,
WHO SERVED AS BRITAINS MOST SENIOR PROSECUTOR.
What that means is all campaigners have to be very careful what they say,
and particlaly on their agenda and legislation!!
THERE ARE 500,000 FROZENPENSIONERS LIVING OVERSEAS.
BOB C SET UP A PETITIONN FOR PARITY WORLD-WIDE.
HOW MANY SIGNATURES ON IT? EQUAL TO:
1% OF THE 500,000! YES, JUST ONE%!
THERE ARE ANOTHER 600,000 EXPATS OVERSEAS ---THAT ARE NOT FROZEN!
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?
:"EQUALITY, FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE"?
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no answers so far!
Rwanda migrant propsals has or will be cancelled i understand from press article and the Rwanda gov't will not retun monies already paid or promised
In the next paragraph we can give a short basic idea!
So howcan we improve on that number?
It was suggested "State pension" related groups should be linked
. Not impossible!
The most impoutant requirment is :-
Strong, forceful, support,
from all the groupscampaigning to :-
SAVE, PROTECT, IMPROVE,
THE UK STATE PENSION.
"THE LIBRARY INDEX IS OF GROUPS IS MADE UP OF THOSE GROUPS, WHOSE PRIMARY AGENDA IS TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE UK STATE PENSION WORLD-WIDE" (it does needs it!)
ONE, ( PROBABLY RATHER FRUSTRATED CAMPAIGNER), ON FACEBOOK, SAID
"I WANT A MILLION SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION! (for parity)"
WHY BE SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE MILLION?
WHY NOT 3, 4, OR MORE MILLION?
YES IT CAN BE DONE! (With not too much extra work!). (So here goes!).
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"THE LIBRARY OF CAMPAIGNING GROUPS"
1) it is NOT a group as in PPiI or WASPI. it is basically an updateable "list"probaly an excel book.
(two or 3 volunteers to maintain it perhaps. It is not for other issues or chat'.
The librairians just concentrate on collating it and keeping it updated.
2) Each campaigning groups just has to agree to being on the library list, provide the necessery info to go on the list, and are genuinly campaigning for :-
TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE UK STATE PENSION.
Info required:- probably just official name, known as name, based on location, a contact number, (caution re security), number of members, number of frozen pensioners. (A little bit of jigling for those in more than one group).
3) the agenda for the "SPIUKP" (??) Is:-
to campaign against the gov't Frozen State Pension WHIM and do NOT accept uprating going forward.
The agenda carries 3 recomendations:-
A)The campaignihe groups are primarily campaigning against the Gov'to save, protect and improve our pension, (yes we paid for it!) WE ARE NOT CAMPAIGNING AGAINST EACH OTHER, THEY ARE OUE ALLIES!
B) INFORMATION used in campaigning material must please be based on proven facts, "official" statistics, and legislation.
C) if quoting from Gov't statements, other authorotive bodies, press reports,MP's or Peers official or just random comments. do please provide a hyperlink if possible.
An adition that should be adhered to is as in the equality Act GENDER DISCRIMINAION!
There are many issues within the State Pension besides the FP WHIM.
"THE LIBRARY OF CAMPAIGNING GROUPS" can cover all.(15 to 20 probably!)
PLEASE NOTE:-1) this ws drafted before any info from the new government warmed their bums in their seats. I did not see anything in todays press about it. Only thing was NIS would not increase. (could that be a hint we just might get some good news ??? (16 July press report quoted masive changes coming !PREPARE TO DEMAND FOR CONSULTATION RIGHTS FOR ALL CAMPAIGNERS
3)There are many issues within the State Pension besides the FP WHIM.
15 to 20 or so? Age, back to 65, max as current. Not welfare as WE PAID FOR IT. IT IS NOT A TAX BUT OUR CONTRIUTIONS. IT CANNOT BE A BENRFIT. IT IS AN ENTITLEMENT "A RIGHT!" WE COMPLIED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE ENTITLED TO THAT PENSION. PENSION ACT 2014
WHERE YOU LIVE IS NOT ONE!
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THIS AND THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPHS ARE NOT JUST AIMED AT PPiI MEMBERS,
IT IS FROZEN PENSIONERS, UNFROZEN PENSIONERS AND ALL WORKERS IN THE
"UK THAT WILL BECOME
PENSIONERS HOME OR OVERSES. (30+MILLION OF THEM!)"
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(Accrding to the definition of "democratic" shows that a political unit may have a democratic government within that poitical party. but including whips bullying and other naughties! (but the people AREstill the boss! show them so!!!
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So 12 YEARS AGO initially we asked the ICBP,( self appointed tingods of campaigning against discrimination!
“Can we join your ICBP group please?”
The somewhat blunt answer from ICBP, word for word was:
“No you can’t. There is only a few of you (absolute discrimination?yes?)you andhave not contributed! (UK bigh court stated that cost was
no excuse for discrimiynation. yes?)
"Join CABP or BPiA pay your fees, get a
committee and that group will “look after” you".
(with some sarcasm it look like a good lesson on how to discrininate!)
too few? no money? no join ICBP!
The PPiI members, (all are the "committee") and we do not pay fees).
The members response was:
“It’s OK we will go it on our own!”
(But always willng to listen to, talk to, and work with other groups.)
There are many other indipendant groups around the world also campaigning against the frozen pension WHIM, and other "pension issues"
the ICBP. (international consortim of British Pensioners),
(Is the group with the highest number of frozen membership) made up by Australia and Canada, also in their own way, campaigning against the UK Gov’t's frozen pension whim ??).
For the first few years we did well, but after years of occasionally being ignored we realised, like all campaigners, it was better talking to the brick wall rather than banging your head on it!
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The above paragraph is of the events 12 years ago when PPiI arrived. Much water has passed under the bridge since then. The ICBP has made a number of changes over the years for their groups.
(But not all "the smoke" from their early days of dictatorial campaigning has dispersed).
Sadly the world of the "UK State Pension" is not as secure,or honest, as it should be. ( much of the blame for that is from those dictatorial "boss types."
The number of pension related groups has increased considerably, and that in some respect has decreased the chances of Parity for all frozen pensioners and even unfrozen expats.
The groups that have been groups from the earliest days of campaugning are more likely to be a little close lipped, and less coperative than the newer groups.
Times are and will hopefully changing for the better.
. Due to their involvement with the old dictaorial attitude of the big 3, (and a little bit of jealousy over the othr groups?).
(When we talk Pension and pensioners we can think of numbers up to 40+millions.
A lot of people to include in campaging, and so much to do in the pension issues!)
(The ever growing numbers of pension related groups, and now websites, is not going to do much for the issues we campagn for, without groups seriously working together).
TOO MANY GROUPS AND TOO MANY WEB SITES!
MANY WILL AGREE, AND MANY DISAGREE.
SO WHICH IS RIGHT?
(whats that saying about too many cooks?)
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WE, all campaigning groups HAVE ONE ENEMY. -- -- THE GOV'T, (Gov't, THE DWP, THE TREASURY, THE DSS AND, THE FACELESS UNKNOWNS?
(Personally I am very cocerned about who are the faceless ones)
(Will it be the party and "others" manipuilting the pre-election B/S we wll be showered with?)
WE ALL HAVE ONE AGENDA -- -- CAMPAIGNING AGAINST THE UK GOV'Ts FROZEN PENSION (WHIM). "and NOT supporting uprating going forward". (This week, proved we were righ in NOT supporting uprating going forward".
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In more recent times thoughts regarding the State Pension have spread beyond the frozen pension, to include all the issues of the pension itself. (just look how well WASPI+ are doing!)
THE STATE PENSION HAS MANY ISSUES BEYOND THE FP!!
(COULD BE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 issues!
Such as State Pension Age, consultation, maladministration, welfare status + + + .
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FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW.
ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT (WHIM) WHAT SO EVER!
WHILST THE CARSON CASE, (DISCRIMINATION), WAS IN PROGRESS, IN THE E.U. SUPREMCOURT, ONE JUDGE STATED THAT IT WAS NOT AN FP POLICY!
IT WAS AN FP "WHIM"
(I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM!
IN MY COMENTS OR EMAILS AND POSTS I DO USE THE TERM,
"THE FROZEN PENSION WHIM")
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ONE, ( PROBABLY RATHER FRUSTRATED CAMPAIGNER), ON FACEBOOK, SAID
I WANT A MILLION SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION! (for parity)
WHY BE SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE MILLION?
WHY NOT 3, 4, OR MORE MILLION?
YES IT CAN BE DONE! (With not to much extr work!)
Over PPiI time of 12 years campaigning, one of the group issues that has always puzzled me, from day one is, why so much negativity?
After some, "historical"digging, (that involved UK FP's in a number of groups). I could only conclude and suggest a "dictaorial approach" from those requiring "service" from campaigners, and rivallry between the service providors is to blame.
I did actually ask on Facebook:-
"Many times I see in commments on Facebook,
"We should work together." united in harmony".
However, how often do they not do so!
(it has happened to me a number times!).
Perhaps not surprising then we are still F - F - F- FROZEN?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do also remenber, please,
Groups are volunteers, NOT conscripts! (- ST!)
(Why should I say that you may wonder. A few years after PPiI started I had an email from a "Director" explaining to, this mere campaigner, that;- "we, the directors, consider the fee paying members are the face workers and we the directors are the boses". My response, which, reluctantly, I did not send in the end, might just make you blush!
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Please do not get the wrong idea of my intenions in what I say, comment on or suggest! (My ambition is to retire from the dodgy battlefields of the UK State Pension battle ground with a fully ENTITLED FULL PENSION as soon as possible preferably before Christmas this year! (First full pension, "sod Pizza Hut lets get a really decent meal!"
I will still keep digging on the FP Whim and the legislation.
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WE HAVE MANY GROUPS -- -- (A TOWER OF BABLE ?).
we all have the same one enemy. The gov't.
we all have the same one agenda. A gov't policy- and/or a WHIM!!
So why not have one master campaigning army made of multple groups working together to produce a winning master group?
(the headlines could then be:-
The campaigning master group defeat the enemy's discrimination! Satisfaction by the groups in that master group! " GROUPS UNITED WARRIORS"
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NOTE in a previous draft 23 march we detailed a meeting between Sir R. Gale and the Pariamentary Under- secretary for Works and Pensions, Paul Maynard MP.
We said :-was this going to be :-
"The long awaited light at the end of the tunnel?"
State Pension issues were discussed. No promises and Sir R did warn
"but dont hold your breath".
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Well we all know what did happen!
So what do all we campaigners and groups do now?
What ever we plan needs to be stronger than we have ever previosly managed. Bearing in mind the coming election we should be ready for almost anything.
FROM:-Parity, plus all benefits with tripple lock forever.
TO:- All expats frozen, or even no pensions paid overseas!
(Should we follow the French reaction when their PM introduced their pansion increase from 62 to 64!!)
Will we squeak like a mouse or roar like a (French) lion?
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Restoring democracy for all is just as essental in the UK as it was for Parity. Even more so. An even harder task I would think! Is that asking too much to save us from dictatorship?
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The main agenda issue here so far is parity for all pensioners world wide, but other issues have been drawn into the issues of campaigning against gov't polocies. (Partial uprating going forward is not parity and partial uprating actually introduces further discrimination because being based on the current pension status of each of the 500,000 FPs there coud be 500,000 different rates to calculate on. (2.5% of a 40£ rate is less than 2.5% of £100 FP rate, a further discrimination. Not acceptable surely ?
Prior to the uprating going foeward there was a suggestion of uprating based on age.
(1st year all over 90 's got uprated to full entitled rate. next year over 80's uprated, 3rd year over 70's or over pension age. it is still discrimination but on guaranteed dates. A bit better than the disgeacful offer that the ICBP will acccept.
The NIS fund is always well over balence requirements.
£ billions every year!
and dont forget its OUR contributions that do that,
WE PAID IN OUR CONTRIIIBUTIONS FROM OUR SALERIES AS DO HE WORKERS OF TODAY AND THE EMPLOYER ALSO PAID AND PAY IN. THE GOVT STOPPED CONTRIBUTING AS SOON AS THE FUND REACHED ITS REQUIRED MINIMUM BALENCE!
(NO THE TAX PAERS DID NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE A PENNY)
ROUGHLY THEN, WHEN WE STRTED WORK WE STARTED PAYING FROM OUR SALERY NIS CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE SECURED NIS FUND. RETIREES WILL GET THEIR PENSION FRONTHE FUND WE CONTRIBUTED TO. WHEN AFTER AROUND 50 YEARS WE RETIRE AND GET OUR PENSION FROM THE FUND THAT THE WORKERS TODAY ARE CONTRIBUTING INTO. (ALSO EMPLOYEES PAYING INTO THE FUND)
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(AT THAT MEETING, BETWEEN SIR R. AND THE PENSION MINISTER, THE STATE PENSION ISSUES, , WERE DISCUSSED. NO PROMISES WERE MADE! (WELL DO YOU EVER EXPECT MP's PROMISES TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH?)
THE NEXT STEP WAS FROM MR HUNT, ("LETS IGNORE THE "V. V"S - AGAIN! SO WHAT DID THE FP'S GET?
ONE REPORT SUBTLE ANSWER WAS "A TWO FINGERED GESTURE!"
WHAT WAS MY RESPONSE? HALF OF THE VULNERABLE VICTIMS SYMBOL (v v)!
V
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Et Tu Brute !
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Somewhat shocked, having rejected a thought of could this be a pre-election gov't joke, my thoughts qquickly moved on!
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(MY APOLOGIES FOR FLOGGING THE FROZEN PENSION SO MUCH AS AN EXAMPLE BUT I WANTED YOU APPRECIATE THE PROBLEMS ALL PENSION ISSUES CAN CREATE AND BE PREPARED TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON THE GOV'T ON ALL PENSION ISSUES.)
This must be a call to arms for all 12.4 million pensiones, including frozen and un-frozen expats, 30+ million workers and future workers of the future!
ANOTHER ISSUE WE NEED TO WORK OVERTIME ON.
THIS MUST BE THE TIME FOR:-
ONE ENEMY, ONE AGENDA AND ONE COMBINED FIGHTING ARMY!
TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVING
OUR PENSIONSTHAT WE CONTRIBTED FOR.
this following paragraph has, in parts, been deleted.
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Now I know this is a crazy thought but campaigning against the gov't frozen pension WHIM has not had much success. (well none really!). should we be looking for a sincere political figurehead to have waving our flag? Free from party control and bullying whips might draw more success for our campaining? Each group has its own Fb or other outlet so all could introduce the indipenant MP. figurehead, with a small panel attached to the groups heading page? (agreed small photo MP indipendant (state pension rep). that in itself will be difficult to agree on. So a "no go idea" probably.
Who is Keir Starmer?
According to a press comment he was A former, well-respected human rights lawyer who then served as Britain’s most senior prosecutor, Starmer came into politics late in life. He became a Labour MP in 2015 and less than five years later was the party’s leader. ( Does sound as though he might just be a bit more accomidating towards our campaigning issues. - - of course with careful handling?).
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FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW. ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT (WHIM) WHAT SO EVER!
however WASPI + have (almost) got there first.
The ombudsman is part and parcel of the gov't and yet "the gov't" is dictatorially failing to take actions recommended by the ombudsman.
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the ICBP. (international consortim of British Pensioners),
(Is the group with the highest number of frozen membership) made up by Australia and Canada, also in their own way, campaigning against the UK Gov’t's frozen pension whim).
There are many other indipendant groups around the world also campaigning against the frozen pension WHIM, and other "pension issues".
So initially we asked the ICBP,
“Can we join your ICBP group please?”
The somewhat blunt answer, word for word was:
“No you can’t. There is only a few of you (absolute discrimination? yes).
And you have not contributed! (UK bigh court had stated that cost was no excuse for discrimiynation. yes)
"Join CABP or BPiA pay your fees, get a
committee and that group will “look after” you".
(with some sarcasm it look like a good lesson on how to discrininate!) too few? no money, no join ICBP!
The PPiI members, (all are the "committee") and we do not pay fees).
The members response was:
“It’s OK we will go it on our own!”
(But always willng to listen to and talk other groups.)
For the first few years we did well, but after years of being mostly ignored we realised, like all campaigners, it was better talking to the brick wall rather than banging your head on it!
*********
The above paragraph is of the events 12 years ago when PPiI arrived. Much water has passed under the bridge since then. The ICBP has made a number of changes over the years for their groups. But not all "the smoke" from their early days of campaigning has dispersed.
Sadly the world of the "UK State Pension" is not as secure as it should be.
The number of pension related groups has increased considerably, and that in some respect has decreased the chances of Parity for all frozen pensioners and even unfrozen expats. The groups that have been groups from the early days of campaugning are more likely to be
less cooperative than the newer groups. Due to their involvement with the old dictaorial attitude of the big 3, and the gov't (and a little bit of jealousy over othr groups).
(When we talk Pension and pensioners we think of numbers up to 40+millions.
A lot of people to include in campaging, and much to do in the pension issues!)
(The ever growing numbers of pension related groups, and now websites, is not going to do much for the issues we campagn for, without groups seriously working together).
TOO MANY GROUPS AND TOO MANY WEB SITES!
MANY WILL AGREE, AND MANY DISAGREE.
SO WHICH IS RIGHT?
(whats that saying about too many cooks?)
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WE, all campaigning groups HAVE ONE ENEMY. -- -- THE GOV'T, (Gov't, the DWP, THE TREASURY, THE DSS AND, THE FACELESS UNKNOWNS? (Personally I am very cocerned about who are the faceless ones)
(Will it be the party and "others" manipuilting the pre-election B/S we wll be showered with?).
well we now wait and see what the new lo t can do!
WE HAVE ONE AGENDA -- -- CAMPAIGNING AGAINST THE UK GOV'Ts FROZEN PENSION (WHIM). "and NOT supporting uprating going forward". (This week, proved we were righ in NOT supporting uprating going forward".
**********
In more recent times thoughts regarding the State Pension have spread beyond the frozen pension, to include all the issues of the pension itself. (just look how well WASPI+ are doing!)
THE STATE PENSION HAS MANY ISSUES BEYOND THE FP!!
(COULD BE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 issues!
Such as State Pension Age, consultation, maladministration, welfare status + + + .
***********
FROM THE 1946 (NIS ACT) TO NOW.
ON THE FP ISSUE. (78 YEARS!),
NOT ONE CAMPAIGNING GROUP HAS PRESSURED THE GOV'T
TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT (WHIM) WHAT SO EVER!
WHILST THE CARSON CASE, (DISCRIMINATION), WAS IN PROGRESS, IN THE E.U. SUPREMCOURT, ONE JUDGE STATED THAT IT WAS NOT AN FP POLICY!
IT WAS AN FP "WHIM"
(I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM!
IN MY COMENTS OR EMAILS AND POSTS I DO USE THE TERM,
"THE FROZEN PENSION WHIM")
***********
ONE, ( PROBABLY RATHER FRUSTRATED CAMPAIGNER), ON FACEBOOK, SAID
I WANT A MILLION SIGNATURES ON MY PETITION! (for parity)
WHY BE SATISFIED WITH JUST ONE MILLION?
WHY NOT 3, 4, OR MORE MILLION?
YES IT CAN BE DONE! (With not to much extr work!)
Over PPiI time of 12 years campaigning, one of the group issues that has always puzzled me, from day one is, why so much negativity?
After some, "historical"digging, (that involved UK FP's in a number of groups). I could only conclude and suggest a "dictaorial approach" from those requiring "service" from campaigners, and rivallry between the service providors is to blame.
I did actually ask on Facebook:-
"Many times I see in commments on Facebook,
"We should work together." united in harmony".
However, how often do they not do so!
(it has happened to me a number times!).
Perhaps not surprising then we are still F - F - F- FROZEN?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do also remenber, please,
Groups are volunteers, NOT conscripts! (- ST!)
(Why should I say that you may wonder. A few years after PPiI started I had an email from a "Director" explaining to, this mere campaigner, that;- "we, the directors, consider the fee paying members are the face workers and we the directors are the boses". My response, which, reluctantly, I did not send in the end, might just make you blush!
**********
Please do not get the wrong idea of my intenions in what I say, comment on or suggest! (My ambition is to retire from the dodgy battlefields of the UK State Pension battle ground with a fully ENTITLED FULL PENSION as soon as possible preferably before Christmas this year! (First full pension, "sod Pizza Hut lets get a really decent meal!"
I will still keep digging on the FP Whim and the legislation.
**************
WE HAVE MANY GROUPS -- -- (A TOWER OF BABLE ?).
we all have the same one enemy. The gov't.
we all have the same one agenda. A gov't policy- and/or a WHIM!!
So why not have one master campaigning army made of multple groups working together to produce a winning master group?
(the headlines could then be:-
The campaigning master group defeat the enemy's discrimination! Satisfaction by the groups in that master group! " GROUPS UNITED WARRIORS"
**********
NOTE in a previous draft 23 march we detailed a meeting between Sir R. Gale and the Pariamentary Under- secretary for Works and Pensions, Paul Maynard MP.
We said :-was this going to be :-
"The long awaited light at the end of the tunnel?"
State Pension issues were discussed. No promises and Sir R did warn
"but dont hold your breath".
**********
Well we all know what did happen!
So what do all we campaigners and groups do now?
What ever we plan needs to be stronger than we have ever previosly managed. Bearing in mind the coming election we should be ready for almost anything.
FROM:-Parity, plus all benefits with tripple lock forever.
TO:- All expats frozen, or even no pensions paid overseas!
(Should we follow the French reaction when their PM introduced their pansion increase from 62 to 64!!)
Will we squeak like a mouse or roar like a (French) lion?
************
Restoring democracy for all is just as essental in the UK as it was for Parity. Even more so. An even harder task I would think! Is that asking too much to save us from dictatorship?
************
The main agenda issue here so far is parity for all pensioners world wide, but other issues have been drawn into the issues of campaigning against gov't polocies. (Partial uprating going forward is not parity and partial uprating actually introduces further discrimination because being based on the current pension status of each of the 500,000 FPs there coud be 500,000 different rates to calculate on. (2.5% of a 40£ rate is less than 2.5% of £100 FP rate, a further discrimination. Not acceptable surely ?
Prior to the uprating going foeward there was a suggestion of uprating based on age.
(1st year all over 90 's got uprated to full entitled rate. next year over 80's uprated, 3rd year over 70's or over pension age. it is still discrimination but on guaranteed dates. A bit better than the disgeacful offer that the ICBP will acccept.
The NIS fund is always well over balence requirements.
£ billions every year!
and dont forget its OUR contributions that do that,
WE PAID IN OUR CONTRIIIBUTIONS FROM OUR SALERIES AS DO HE WORKERS OF TODAY AND THE EMPLOYER ALSO PAID AND PAY IN. THE GOVT STOPPED CONTRIBUTING AS SOON AS THE FUND REACHED ITS REQUIRED MINIMUM BALENCE!
(NO THE TAX PAERS DID NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE A PENNY)
ROUGHLY THEN, WHEN WE STRTED WORK WE STARTED PAYING FROM OUR SALERY NIS CONTRIBUTIONS INTO THE SECURED NIS FUND. RETIREES WILL GET THEIR PENSION FRONTHE FUND WE CONTRIBUTED TO. WHEN AFTER AROUND 50 YEARS WE RETIRE AND GET OUR PENSION FROM THE FUND THAT THE WORKERS TODAY ARE CONTRIBUTING INTO. (ALSO EMPLOYEES PAYING INTO THE FUND)
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(AT THAT MEETING, BETWEEN SIR R. AND THE PENSION MINISTER, THE STATE PENSION ISSUES, , WERE DISCUSSED. NO PROMISES WERE MADE! (WELL DO YOU EVER EXPECT MP's PROMISES TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH?)
THE NEXT STEP WAS FROM MR HUNT, ("LETS IGNORE THE "V. V"S - AGAIN! SO WHAT DID THE FP'S GET?
ONE REPORT SUBTLE ANSWER WAS "A TWO FINGERED GESTURE!"
WHAT WAS MY RESPONSE? HALF OF THE VULNERABLE VICTIMS SYMBOL (v v)!
V
*********
Et Tu Brute !
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Somewhat shocked, having rejected a thought of could this be a pre-election gov't joke, my thoughts moved on.
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(MY APOLOGIES FOR FLOGGING THE FROZEN PENSION SO MUCH AS AN EXAMPLE BUT I WANTED YOU APPRECIATE THE PROBLEMS ALL PENSION ISSUES CAN CREATE AND BE PREPARED TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE ON THE GOV'T ON ALL PENSION ISSUES.)
This must be a call to arms for all 12.4 million pensiones, including frozen and un-frozen expats, 30+ million workers and future workers of the future!
ANOTHER ISSUE WE NEED TO WORK OVERTIME ON.
THIS MUST BE THE TIME FOR:-
ONE ENEMY, ONE AGENDA AND ONE COMBINED FIGHTING ARMY!
TO SAVE, PROTECT AND IMPROVING
OUR PENSIONSTHAT WE CONTRIBTED FOR.
(Last year, or the year before, I think Sir R, might had mentioned giving up poliitics!
(I had a wicked thought! Lets all email him saying dont give up politics Sir R, Just give up the Party and become Sir R. Gale. MP, the indipedent, SAVE PROTECT AND IMPROVETHE STATE PENSION PARTY!!).
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Now I know this is a crazy thought but campaigning against the gov't frozen pension WHIM has not had much success. (well none really!). should we be looking for a political figurehead to have waving our flag? Sir R as a truly complete indipenant MP. free frm party control and bullying whips might draw more success for our campaining? Each group has its own Fb or other outlet so all could introduce the indipenant MP. figurehead, with a small panel attached to the groups heading page? (agreed small photo MP indipendant (state pension rep). that in itself will be difficult to adree on. So a "no go idea" probably.
In response to a petition (e-petition 125692) signed by more than 100,000 British voters, the House of Commons held a debate on 13 June 2016. Speaker after speaker expressed “great pride” in Britain’s policy to spend 0.7% of GDP (more than any other OECD country and a higher percentage than any country in the world) on overseas aid. The few references to voter concerns, such as the increasing number of food parcels issued in the UK, were brushed over quickly, while MPs immediately returned to the self-congratulation of agreeing to spend more than £12 billion on spurious projects in overseas countries. No mention was made of the fact that the same MPs conveniently overlooked the fact that half-a-million British pensioners were denied the pensions they paid for all their working lives.
Below is a selection of the most pertinent (from our point of view) of the comments made by MPs, along with some reflection on the frozen pensioners’ perspective:
Parliamentary Debate Statements: | The Frozen Pensions Perspective: |
Steve Double MP (St Austell and Newquay) (Con) : “I am proud that this great country has a strong record of helping those most in need. I believe that as a human race, helping others is something we are designed and created to do. These are real people living in the same world as us who deserve to have their basic human needs met. What kind of world would we be living in if we reduced or stopped this spending and did nothing or little, or if we idly sat by and watched while the most vulnerable in our world suffered?” “Let us not forget the history of how Britain made its wealth. We took resources from countries across the world, especially those in the empire, and then left them as independent nations, giving very little back. Some of the issues that those countries face today have been compounded by the historical actions of this nation, so I feel strongly that we have a moral obligation to help these countries now, in their time of need.” “On a global scale, there are very few poor people in the UK. I strongly believe that those of us who have had the luck to be born British have already won life’s lottery. Nearly half the world’s population—2.8 billion people—survive on less than $2 a day … moral obligation to the world’s poorest” “The choice is simple: we tackle the issues at their roots or we wait for them to arrive on our doorstep.” | Unfortunately, Mr Double and his fellow MPs do stand idly by and watch some of the most vulnerable in the world suffer. These are the British pensioners whose pensions are frozen because they have retired to “non-government-preferred” country; many are trying to survive on subsistence-level pensions. Yet the British government denies economic income to these very nations, including ones specifically mentioned in the debate. The frozen pensions’ policy denies the income to the local economies of the countries where British pensioners retire. Had there been parity of pension payments from the start, perhaps these nations would not have needed the hand-outs of which MPs are so proud? But there are very poor British pensioners denied the pensions they worked for! A British pensioner died recently in Australia; her pension at the time of her death was £7 a week – less than $2 a day! What about the moral obligation to some of the British poor created by the very Parliament that “has great pride in its allocation and spending which is more than any other country in the world”? Should not that same Parliament and its MPs be expressing “great shame” at the way it is treating its pensioners who have retired to Commonwealth countries? Should they also remember that many of those pensioners fought in WW2 and then returned to help rebuild a shattered Britain, paying into the NI Fund all their working lives (in years when there was little access to private pensions for most) in order to get the pension they are now denied? Do MPs have “great pride” in the way they are treating British veterans and pensioners? As Tony Benn once said, “when no-one will listen to and address a just complaint, it is time to make mischief”. As suggested, if the injustice of frozen pensions is not tackled, perhaps it is time to arrange for it to arrive on Britain’s doorstep? |
Perhaps this MP is talking about the food which she and her fellow MPs throw away, or spend on takeaway foods? Is she aware that she probably spends more on a bottle of wine in the Commons dining room than many frozen British pensioners get in a week? What a totally facetious remark from an MP (a representative of the people) who is supposed to be dealing with voters concerns about the vast amount of money spent on overseas aid while many British public exist on food parcels! | |
The frozen pensioners did nothing to deserve the poverty to which many of them have been reduced by not getting the pension they worked for all their working lives. Should Parliament not be standing out to also right this injustice which was none of the making of any pensioner? | |
Does not the moral argument for pension parity, for all British pensioners who worked and paid in the same way to the NI Fund all the working lives, bring shame on a Parliament that has refused continually to deal with the injustice? Would not a genuine Christian be ashamed of the lies and obfuscations repeatedly published by DWP to hide the frozen pension injustice? This Christian is apparently happy to ignore the poverty, insecurity and instability of British pensioners! | |
Apparently, compassion for the less-fortunate frozen pensioners is somehow overlooked by MPs. Here is an MP who is clearly blind to the daily challenges faced every day by frozen pensioners – humanitarian crises that do not get reported in the news because many of them are true Brits, brought up to deal with the deprivations of post-war Britain without complaining. Does this MP not realise that economic growth is denied in many Commonwealth countries which are deprive of the income that would arise from pension parity being paid to British pensioners resident there? Apparently, British pensioners’ lives are not valued by MPs; does that make this MP proud to be British? | |
Britain is a humanitarian nation except when it comes to its own pensioners, whose vulnerability is ignored by British MPs. | |
What internationalists? When people retire to a Commonwealth country, they are discriminated against by the British government. So much for internationalism! So much for charity! | |
Yet the British government creates poverty and inequality in a small pensioner group; many face hardships every day as a result of the frozen pensions’ policy. While almost 1 billion have been lifted from poverty by the overseas aid programme, 500,000 Brits are being forced into poverty by the frozen pensions’ policy. Here is another Christian who apparently selects her favourites onto which to impose her moral duties and human contributions towards fairness, health and security. Let’s ignore the frozen pensioners who cannot afford the healthcare they desperately need! How Christian is that? | |
The position of MPs with the Commonwealth is that they condone the frozen pensions policy which denies economic income to many Commonwealth countries. Britain continues to rob Commonwealth countries of its due economic resources! | |
One of the wealthiest countries of the world which (so the Chancellor says) cannot afford to pay to frozen pensioners the pensions they paid for all their working lives. If there is no excuse for spending £12 billion on overseas aid, there is definitely no excuse for failing to find £500 million to pay British pensioners the pensions they worked for. Is this the one issue that the government and MPs are not willing to “fix”. | |
If MPs have no truck with the balance between austerity at home and overseas aid, they should certainly have no truck with a continuation of the frozen pensions’ policy which is immoral, unethical, unjust and discriminatory. MPs should not be saying “it is not our problem” and should recognise the suffering of the people affected by frozen pensions. Otherwise, the omission diminishes the entire Houses of Parliament since it is within MPs’ power to put it right immediately. I’m afraid that this is exactly who MPs are – a group which conveniently overlooks the injustice and discrimination foisted on its own pensioners. Unless this injustice is addressed it can only bring shame on Parliament! | |
It should also be a responsibility to help Brits who are in need and are exploited by the British government which continually inflicts frozen pensions on those who worked all their lives for pension parity and do not deserve to have those benefits taken away. | |
If Africa is part of “our” home, then why does the government discriminate against Commonwealth countries through the frozen pensions policy? Where is the responsibility to deal fairly with people who helped to rebuild Britain after the war? | |
If pension parity had been paid from the beginning, the economic income into Commonwealth countries might well have meant that no aid whatsoever was necessary. Billions of pounds have been denied to African countries over the last 60 years! The British government is actually condoning a cause of poverty and injustice through its frozen pensions’ policy. Do pensioners in wheelchairs have to bring their problems to your doorsteps and wave banners outside Westminster before the government will listen? | |
It is worth reminding the House that Africa has lost billions of pounds of economic income over the last 60 years because of the remittances denied through the frozen pensions’ policy! Direct income with no “top slicing” denied every month and every year for 60 years! Humanitarian disasters caused by the frozen pensions’ policy! | |
Britain does not care about its connections with Commonwealth countries; if it did it would not condone the continuation of the frozen pensions’ policy which denies economic income to many of the Commonwealth countries. There is no connection other than Britain’s unfair discrimination against former colonies. | |
Perhaps, in these admissions, we have the real reason why overseas aid must be protected; and why it is so popular with MPs. That is the expenses-paid (by British taxpayers, many of whom were concerned enough to sign the petition) trips enjoyed by clearly a number of MPs. This is possibly the tip of the iceberg – the real number of overseas expenses-paid trips could be a whole lot higher. Perhaps if British frozen pensioners living in the more attractive parts of the world offered a spare bedroom to a visiting MP or three then the injustice of frozen pensions would be more positively addressed in the House of Commons? |
While Britain faces further austerity and increasing demand for food parcels, and half-a-million British pensioners are denied the pensions they paid for all their working lives by their payments into the National Insurance Fund, the government and MPs express their “great pride” in spending more than £12 billion of taxpayers’ money on overseas aid. They have ignored the concerns of voters and ordinary citizens.
It is not rocket science to realise that the government and MPs could pay pension parity to all British pensioners, and could address the disgrace of food parcels in “one of the wealthiest countries in the world” – and still be left with more money to spend on overseas aid than many other countries.
Overseas aid - when British pensioners and British poor and vulnerable are suffering - is an abomination. It is nothing to be proud of; it is another BRITISH SHAME!