Is Partial Uprating a Solution?
The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Frozen British Pensions
exists “to bring together parliamentary supporters of the case to unfreeze frozen British State Pensions Overseas and to campaign for reform on this issue”. APPG had suggested that partial uprating could be “a solution”. Let’s
look at APPG’s suggestions … and the facts:
ways to end frozen pensions
the only way in reality to
end frozen pensions is to annul section 20 of only the pension ACT and other legislation in other relative pension acts. the International Consortium of British Pensioners is the only group the APPG consults with but it does not appear to get antwhere???
|the APPG has more recently had some discussion with the canadian government || |
ICBP is just one organisation only for Canadians; Australians and the carabbean. Why is APPG concentrating on ICBP when there are many more of us campaigning around the world?
Is there some sort of deal going on here. After all this time one does wonder!
? Successive governments have refused to act to end
the current policy on the grounds of cost, fear of legal claims for back payment and the fact that however strong the moral case, there is no legal obligation on them to do so
In the debate on ring-fencing 0.7% of GDP for overseas aid ( MPs said that Britain is a rich country and that the 7% in overseas aid is justified and made them ‘proud’.
They should be ashamed of stealing the NIS fund money rather than pay uprating, the fund is maintained by the workers and employees contributions and is always in balence of £ billions. HOWEVER THE GOV'T STATED THEY ILL CHANGE CONTRIBTIONS
TO EARNING TAX!! THE FUND WOULD GO INTO THEGOV'T GENERAL FUND!!
There are no cost grounds for not paying pension parity.
The threat of legal claims is a red herring. No pensioner group has the resources for legal claims and frozen pensioners just want the pensions they paid for, payable now!
is a legal obligation through the United Nations International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (Articles 9-12) this may not apply due to the change in the EU status or rejectionof the legality ofthe UN culture rights; THE GOVT USE SECONDARY
DOMESTIC LEGISLATION TO WITHHOLD UPRATINF
The APPG on Frozen British Pensions recognise that financial times are tough, so we are committed to promoting solutions to the frozen pension policy
that are both affordable and deliverable now. bloody fools that has always been possible.
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Partial Uprating could be introduced quite easily in realityby using the DSS annual uprating act
|partial uprating dos increase
discrimination as it is based on a %age of the frozen pensions |
Partial uprating would benefit all currently frozen pensioners immediately
by ending the real terms year-on-year decline of their state pensions
This is a typical Conservative answer to everything – give more to those
who have more, and take more from those who have little. As shown above, the pensioners with the highest existing pensions would get even more while those with the lowest existing pensions would get almost nothing. Clearly some would benefit a great deal more
It would remove the problem completely for future retirees, removing a significant barrier to pensioner emigration
from the UK, including for a significant number ethnic minorities now approaching retirement
This is a cynical attempt to divide frozen pensions in
the fight for parity. Currently retiring pensioners would get pension parity and therefore have no need to join in the fight.
It is also an attempt to harness the savings to be made from emigration
(£3,800 per head) while ignoring that same saving already benefiting the government from existing retirees.
It is also immoral, unethical and un-Christian to adopt a policy which aims
to solve the problem by awarding parity to currently retiring pensioners while waiting for present frozen pensioners to die. This is a disgrace!
At an estimated upfront cost of just £37 million – miniscule in government spending terms – Partial Uprating option offers an affordable and expeditious policy alternative that could be implemented in the current financial climate
the worry of cost is the govn't own doing because they illegaly drained the fund!
of up rating is £590 million. the fund has a balence of billions. so???
Partial Uprating would actually generate immediate
net savings for the Treasury through consequent savings, including those made through increased pensioner emigration. The Government currently estimates that there is a £3,800 a year saving for each pensioner who moves abroad in retirement
So, the Treasury wants the benefit of emigration savings while ignoring the benefit it already receives from past emigration?
The £3,800 a year also applies to frozen pensions having to return to UK – that (plus an immediately uprated pension) is the cost of every pensioner who comes to the point of not being able to manage on a non-uprated
pension and has to return to the UK. Those people then put pressure on an already overloaded NHS and on already shaky housing availability.
There is a clear precedent for the implementation of Partial Uprating. It is the approach that was taken when the UK signed historic reciprocal agreements with countries such as the USA and Barbados
A statement in the House of Commons and a Freedom of Information response has clearly ascertained that a reciprocal agreement is not legally necessary for the payment of uprated pensions. (the chair
of the DSS comittee made that clear in 1966 Continually repeating this falsehood is merely DWP obfuscation – it matters nothing what is contained in ‘historic’ reciprocal agreements because their presence is not required to pay pension parity.
There should be no legal risk of back payment claims (as with full uprating) as there is no implied recognition of historic entitlement. Partial
Uprating is simply a forward policy change. Again, the precedent would support this
Full uprating is also simply a forward policy change – there
is no difference between the two. The suggestion of legal risk is a red herring and an excuse for non-action; no pensioner or pensioner organisation has the means or the intent to pursue any legal claim once full uprating is achieved
There is no need for bilateral agreements to be negotiated to move things forward … the UK is free to make unilateral changes to meet what are now
international norms regarding overseas pensioners
A statement in the House of Commons and a Freedom of Information response has clearly ascertained
that a reciprocal agreement is not legally necessary for the payment of uprated pensions. Bilateral agreements are not a reason for paying uprates - they are merely an excuse for not paying. Continually repeating this falsehood is merely DWP obfuscation
There is a legal obligation (giving standards for international norms) through the United Nations International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (Articles 9-12); Britain is failing to
comply with the requirements of this international covenant it signed
Partial Uprating would be very straightforward to deliver
The most straightforward policy to deliver would be to delete the offending clause from the next Budget statement and pay pension parity from April 2017. Every other option
is less straightforward
Partial uprating as described by the APPG website is NOT a solution.
It is a cop-out and a cover up. It hits hardest the oldest and longest-suffering pensioners, many of whom fought in WW2 and then returned to help rebuild a shattered Britain, paying into the NI Fund all their working lives. That is a disgrace!
It is an extremely cynical, callous, immoral, unethical and un-Christian proposal which aims at solving the problem by waiting for pensioners to die. That is not acceptable to any decent, caring, Christian
It is also a typical Conservative option: give to those who have more and keep from those who have little – bear in mind that private pension schemes were few and far between
when many of our older pensioners retired many years ago. And let us not overlook its real intention - to divide those of us who have suffered years of frozen pensions from the currently retiring who would never experience frozen pensions – more discrimination
piled on top of existing discrimination!
Worse than all the above is that it is betrayal of Biblical proportions; those who have contributed over the years to the fight for parity will be sidelined
for a pittance of pennies while the currently-retiring will walk away with full pensions from the start and contribute to nothing.